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welcome to the skeptic zone

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the podcast from australia for science

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and reason

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yes it's the skeptic zone podcast

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episode number

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638 for the 3rd of january 2021

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happy new year and keen

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listeners will realize that it's not the

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3rd of january not yet if you're

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listening to this show at the moment

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the show is coming out 24 hours early

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so i can help promote the first

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sceptic camp of the year which is in

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monterey california

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and i will be interviewing susan gerbic

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about that a little later on in the show

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i was delighted to be offered a speaking

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engagement there along with lots of

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other people

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and there will be links in this week's

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show notes

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but what else is coming up on this

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week's show

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we're going to be looking at the case of

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enough for her

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and she thinks the whole coronavirus is

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a conspiracy theory anyway and it

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doesn't exist and she escaped

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and was at large in the community

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what's the harm of being a conspiracy

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theorist find out

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at the top of the show following that

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it's logical fallacies with michelle

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hello michelle and this week michelle

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unfalsifiability and that's a very

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concept in scientific research following

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that indeed it'll be susan gerbic

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talking about

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monterrey skepticamp and then we have

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another dive into the treasure trove of

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trove

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the information at the national library

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of australia

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we're going to start an extensive series

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of reports

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from 1950 all about testing

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psychics and part one is the report on

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a demonstration of psychic power or

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talking with the dead

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reported at the time and for those of

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you who are familiar with cold reading

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interesting and as i did

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when i read it for the first time and i

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realized there's nothing new under the

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even way back way back over

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70 years ago it was the same

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old shtick the same old routine when it

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comes to psychic readings

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into the unknown the whole series is

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into the unknown the factual account of

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a remarkable investigation

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into psychic force by a panel of

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independent experts but now it's time

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for me to run downstairs

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i've got some pancake mix left i might

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see if i can remember how to make those

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lovely yummy japanese pancakes i haven't

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well i did that i hope you enjoy the

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now as i record this australia is

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sadly suffering somewhat of a little

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resurgence of curved 19.

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is still on lockdown and borders are

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shutting around australia once again

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now i don't expect this to last very

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which brings me to the story of a woman

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who arrived back in australia and the

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that they are escorted from the airport

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police and the army and are taken to

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don't don't roam around society and

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melbourne wherever here's the story

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of only a week ago

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probably a conspiracy

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a story written on the seven

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news website at sevennews.com.edu

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quarantine escapee threatened to leave

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sparked a manhunt in western australia

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the coronavirus was not real they're

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of a virus that does not exist with a 99

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i'm done having to suffer because people

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everybody needs to start to wake up if

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i'm going to walk out of here posting to

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harboring conspiracy theories about

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the voice said she did not consent

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to a test i had to involve a lawyer

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she refused to be tested for the virus

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some of her online rants

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can you please wake up there's no virus

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from 5g today i am going to be walking

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out of here if there's somebody

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brave enough in perth to do a drive-by

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and pick me up because i'm going to be

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walking down there i'm telling those

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security guards if they lay a hand on me

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every single one of them will be

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subpoenaed and charged

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millions

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and remove the governments from the

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the room man and this is the police okay

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they get to make a decision on my health

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okay my mental health's strong man i'm

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like a warrior no one's gonna stop me

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um if they don't let me out of here

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today i'm gonna get back on here and i'm

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there's the stock standard conspiracy

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are just you know

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classic sad conspiracy theories

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and also we have the hints there of

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somebody who's been listening to far too

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many citizen

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free free men of the land sovereign

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citizen arguments

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like if the authorities lay a hand on me

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they will be subpoenaed

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in words like this which more or less

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comes from american

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conspiracy theorists now as a result of

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all this

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and i now am glancing at the abc

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website for other information uh the

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western australia's

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roger cook says he is disappointed and

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angry at the traveller

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who left perth quarantine hotel and

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she now faces a fine of up to

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50 000 or 12 months imprisonment

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now that would be the maximum i imagine

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i don't think even if she's convicted

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you'll get anything like that however

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that's the possible penalty

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and indeed the magistrate who was

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looking

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at this case blasted her

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and said that she had shown blatant

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disregard for the state's pandemic

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situation

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well from what i can gather this system

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of having people

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escorted from the airport when they

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arrive and taken to hotels for

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two weeks of quarantine isolation

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has been spectacularly successful

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yes there is still coronavirus at large

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in our society

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it's very much contained and we have the

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odd flare-up which

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we're having now but by and large

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compared to other countries i think

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this situation is being handled

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reasonably well

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so this woman turned out not to have

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cronovirus which is

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a stroke of incredibly good luck as we

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said if she did have the virus and she

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was at large in the community for hours

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interacting with people the story could

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have been much worse

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so it's all very well to believe in

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conspiracy theories and think that the

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whole thing is

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a lie or it's being spread by 5g

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radiation

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or you have special magical sovereign

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citizen rights that other people in

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society don't seem to have or they don't

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know about or something like this or

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you are free to do whatever the hell you

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like because you're free and no one's

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going to stop you

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and the possibility that you may in fact

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end

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tim farley might say what's the harm

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what's the harm in believing in

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conspiracy theories in believing that

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the chronoviruses all are fake well the

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harm is very real

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and i imagine in other parts of the

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world this whole attitude this whole

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conspiracy this whole coronavirus is a

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and the government are trying to control

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me has probably led to the deaths of

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other people who have been infected i

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will add a link

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g'day this is dr karl karl krishninsky

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proud to be a skeptic and you can find

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out more about me at drcarl.com and get

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lots of free stuff there as well

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[Music]

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logical fallacies

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what are logical fallacies and why is it

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important that critical thinkers should

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know about them

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a logical fallacy is an error we can

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make in reasoning

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but it usually crops up when we are

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some people might even knowingly use

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them to try and score cheap points in an

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argument

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due to intellectual laziness

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they are traps we can fall into but if

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we know what to look out for

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we can spot them when they occur and

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this time we'll look at unfalsifiability

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also known as untestability this is when

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you make a claim that cannot

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be shown or proved to be incorrect

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or even correct via testing

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skeptics have seen this fallacy many

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times

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and for many differing claims believers

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like to think that if skeptics or

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even science cannot disprove a claim

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it therefore must be true i know that

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water divining

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always works out on the farm but only

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if skeptics are kept away as they have

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negative energy that interferes with

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divining

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here we have a situation based on what

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some water diviners have said to

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skeptics over the years

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the diviner in this case has made it

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impossible for a real investigation of

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his claims

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those claims therefore can never be

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shown to

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fail in a test even when diviners are

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tested

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they will come up with what is to them a

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reasonable excuse to justify their

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failure

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that excuse is never that divining

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itself

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does not work i tried to test

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a tarot card reader she chose a card at

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random

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and told me a story about it and asked

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me if i could relate to it

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when i said no she turned the card

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upside down

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and told me the opposite of what she

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said before

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well what do you know some of it fit me

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this example is based on a real

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conversation between a skeptic

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and tarot card reader

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here we see that no matter what was said

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in the reading

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with a bit of post hoc rationalization

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it can be claimed that the tarot cards

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are never wrong

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i have a dragon living in my garage

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it's invisible so you cannot see it it

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breathes

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fire but the fire is also heatless so

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you cannot detect it

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a dragon floats in the air so you cannot

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weigh it

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but take my word for it the dragon

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is real here we have a classic example

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from

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carl sagan in his book the demon haunted

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world

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no matter what test you come up with to

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find out if the dragon is real or not

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there will always be some reason as to

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why the test is impossible

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therefore you can never show the dragon

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is

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not there

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falsifiability is a cornerstone of the

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scientific method

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any claim put forward that cannot be

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at least in theory be shown to be

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incorrect

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is unscientific and deserves your

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skepticism

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knowing a logical fallacy when you hear

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one and

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even knowing its name is important when

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arguing your point of view

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however you may come across as arrogant

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and not get very far if you call it out

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by name

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to your opponent when you hear it being

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used

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if your opponent calls you out for using

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one

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it's time to stop and think about how

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you are making your case

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use your knowledge of logical fallacies

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wisely

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and remember that even if your point of

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view is right

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and you know all the pitfalls in arguing

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your case

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it doesn't always mean you'll win on the

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day

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and as skeptics we must also remember

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that we too can be wrong at times

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[Music]

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i'm michelle bickersma from the vic

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[Music]

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hi there i'm abhijit and i host the

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rashtrol podcast

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on berationable.com every couple of

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weeks i science the hell out of

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alternative medicines

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health and nutrition fads social media

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forwards

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science news and lots more of course

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you can find all of my articles podcast

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episodes

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and lots more on www.berationable.com

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see you there and until then always be

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rationable

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[Music]

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i think we need to think

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[Music]

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here's susan gerbic

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joining me now on the line and she often

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does from beautiful salinas california

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from guerrilla skepticism on wikipedia

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you know how well her

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favorite number is five it's susan gobig

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hello everyone happy new year

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happy new year indeed susan and for you

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it's new year's day

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yes it is it is just morning for me i

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just finished breakfast

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great well happy new year again 2021

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and what better way susan what better

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way to start

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a new year than with a skeptical meeting

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tell me

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everything oh my gosh i am so excited

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you know this will be our first year we

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can invite

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people from all over the world to

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monterey county skeptics

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camp which is our seventh i believe

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and we've always had it here in

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beautiful monterey county

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i hope everybody will come out and join

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us in the future

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but for this year because of the

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conditions we are living in

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everybody can come and join us virtually

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over zoom

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or they can join us on our youtube

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channel

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i'm just real excited about having

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everybody here absolutely now i had the

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pleasure

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of well more or less a year ago being

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there in person to speak

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uh for the monterey skeptic camp

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yes he did in january of last year we're

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always the first conference of the year

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we have really mild weather for the rest

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of the united states so january is a

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perfect time

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for us there's no conflicts with other

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conferences and

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people are usually still on vacation of

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some sort and they're able to give time

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to us

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by um you know coming out to monterey

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and

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celebrating the new year with us here

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and what happy memories i have because

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in the couple of days leading up to

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skeptic camp

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i think we had a skeptics in the pub

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that's where we turned up

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and somebody showed me a newspaper with

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my picture in it which was a great

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yes we are local promoters of our

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conference we try to engage the

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uh not only the skeptic community but

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local um residents in monterey county

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which has been really fun to be able to

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our newspapers have done a pretty good

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job of

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giving us some nice attention usually

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there's not much happening in january

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so you know they are happy to do

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uh advertisers for us so we we usually

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attract about 50 people

575
00:24:03,190 --> 00:24:00,880
to 70 people in person

576
00:24:04,390 --> 00:24:03,200
at skeptic camp each year it was a great

577
00:24:07,110 --> 00:24:04,400
day because i

578
00:24:08,630 --> 00:24:07,120
i gave a talk for everybody and then sat

579
00:24:10,870 --> 00:24:08,640
back at the back of the room and my

580
00:24:13,350 --> 00:24:10,880
little skeptic zone table

581
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and then reported from uh about the rest

582
00:24:16,710 --> 00:24:14,880
of the convention what uh what happy

583
00:24:17,990 --> 00:24:16,720
memories i have for that day it was

584
00:24:19,669 --> 00:24:18,000
really fabulous and meeting

585
00:24:21,350 --> 00:24:19,679
everybody and having skeptics in the pub

586
00:24:23,430 --> 00:24:21,360
all the things i really miss

587
00:24:25,269 --> 00:24:23,440
but as you say susan this year the whole

588
00:24:26,950 --> 00:24:25,279
world can join us the whole world can

589
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join us from monterey skeptic camp and i

590
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say

591
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us because i've been delighted that

592
00:24:32,470 --> 00:24:31,200
you've asked me to give another

593
00:24:35,590 --> 00:24:32,480
presentation this year

594
00:24:37,590 --> 00:24:35,600
who else can people um people see

595
00:24:39,510 --> 00:24:37,600
we're starting out this year with andras

596
00:24:41,830 --> 00:24:39,520
pinter from the

597
00:24:42,950 --> 00:24:41,840
from the esp the european skeptic

598
00:24:45,350 --> 00:24:42,960
podcast

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00:24:45,990 --> 00:24:45,360
he is happens to be one of my gsw

600
00:24:49,190 --> 00:24:46,000
editors

601
00:24:50,310 --> 00:24:49,200
in hungarian but for this talk he's

602
00:24:53,350 --> 00:24:50,320
going to be

603
00:24:55,029 --> 00:24:53,360
giving us a talk it says

604
00:24:56,549 --> 00:24:55,039
why we need to organize to bring

605
00:24:58,149 --> 00:24:56,559
skepticism forward

606
00:25:00,070 --> 00:24:58,159
in other words getting to know people

607
00:25:02,710 --> 00:25:00,080
around the world being able

608
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to uh learn about what's happening in

609
00:25:08,549 --> 00:25:04,080
different

610
00:25:10,470 --> 00:25:08,559
to bring us together as a community to

611
00:25:12,149 --> 00:25:10,480
solve some of the problems that we're

612
00:25:14,070 --> 00:25:12,159
having these days so i think it's

613
00:25:16,789 --> 00:25:14,080
perfect for him to start off the

614
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conference talking about people from

615
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around the world

616
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different groups next we're going to

617
00:25:24,230 --> 00:25:23,120
have janice boynton who's a good friend

618
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of mine who is

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a former facilitated communicator

620
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she has turned when she saw science she

621
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was tested

622
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and she realized that facilitated

623
00:25:38,710 --> 00:25:35,520
communication

624
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what is an ideomotor effect that is led

625
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by facilitator

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controls and she is now an activist and

627
00:25:47,750 --> 00:25:45,840
seeking to educate people about

628
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facilitating communication

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after uh janice clayton we're going to

630
00:25:54,390 --> 00:25:51,440
have stuart vice who is

631
00:25:56,310 --> 00:25:54,400
one of the brand new fellows of um

632
00:25:56,789 --> 00:25:56,320
cinefer inquiry where you and i are both

633
00:25:58,710 --> 00:25:56,799
fellows

634
00:26:00,710 --> 00:25:58,720
as well that's right and he's going to

635
00:26:01,350 --> 00:26:00,720
be talking about superstitions and do

636
00:26:04,549 --> 00:26:01,360
they work

637
00:26:07,669 --> 00:26:04,559
so that'll be really fun okay um

638
00:26:09,029 --> 00:26:07,679
after that we have kelly burke and she

639
00:26:10,870 --> 00:26:09,039
is going to be speaking about the

640
00:26:13,350 --> 00:26:10,880
beginnings of gsow

641
00:26:14,149 --> 00:26:13,360
and learning what it's like to be an

642
00:26:16,230 --> 00:26:14,159
editor

643
00:26:17,430 --> 00:26:16,240
and uh you know joining a skeptic

644
00:26:19,350 --> 00:26:17,440
movement recently

645
00:26:21,269 --> 00:26:19,360
and her talk right after is going to be

646
00:26:24,470 --> 00:26:21,279
followed by monica ashley who

647
00:26:26,230 --> 00:26:24,480
is another one of my gsw editors

648
00:26:28,149 --> 00:26:26,240
but she is someone who's been around a

649
00:26:29,909 --> 00:26:28,159
couple years we call her

650
00:26:32,789 --> 00:26:29,919
more of a honey badger because she's

651
00:26:36,470 --> 00:26:32,799
more uh willing to get in and do

652
00:26:39,430 --> 00:26:36,480
um edits that are would be consi

653
00:26:40,390 --> 00:26:39,440
considered contentious um she wrote the

654
00:26:43,190 --> 00:26:40,400
wikipedia page

655
00:26:44,870 --> 00:26:43,200
for the medical medium i think his name

656
00:26:47,269 --> 00:26:44,880
is anthony williams

657
00:26:48,950 --> 00:26:47,279
and she has done a lot of editing on

658
00:26:52,310 --> 00:26:48,960
pages that are

659
00:26:55,029 --> 00:26:52,320
like i said that would be likely to have

660
00:26:56,630 --> 00:26:55,039
problems with other editors or with the

661
00:26:58,230 --> 00:26:56,640
paranormal community and so she's gonna

662
00:26:59,110 --> 00:26:58,240
be talking about her experiences doing

663
00:27:01,110 --> 00:26:59,120
that

664
00:27:02,390 --> 00:27:01,120
we come back from lunch with uh richard

665
00:27:03,350 --> 00:27:02,400
saunders which would be great because

666
00:27:05,510 --> 00:27:03,360
that's another

667
00:27:06,549 --> 00:27:05,520
side of the world uh we're all over the

668
00:27:08,310 --> 00:27:06,559
place as i said

669
00:27:10,230 --> 00:27:08,320
and he's going to be talking about what

670
00:27:11,669 --> 00:27:10,240
it's like to do a skeptical podcast if

671
00:27:13,269 --> 00:27:11,679
other people would like to do this which

672
00:27:16,070 --> 00:27:13,279
is extremely important

673
00:27:16,870 --> 00:27:16,080
i believe that we really need to get

674
00:27:19,990 --> 00:27:16,880
into

675
00:27:21,750 --> 00:27:20,000
languages other than english our

676
00:27:24,549 --> 00:27:21,760
skeptical message and i think that we

677
00:27:27,269 --> 00:27:24,559
could create skeptic zones of sorts

678
00:27:28,470 --> 00:27:27,279
in uh spanish and portuguese and

679
00:27:30,310 --> 00:27:28,480
czechoslovakia

680
00:27:31,510 --> 00:27:30,320
and you know hungarian and all kinds of

681
00:27:35,190 --> 00:27:31,520
different languages i

682
00:27:37,350 --> 00:27:35,200
think that it's expensive um it is

683
00:27:38,470 --> 00:27:37,360
time-consuming of course and it is a lot

684
00:27:42,389 --> 00:27:38,480
of work as

685
00:27:43,830 --> 00:27:42,399
you as you all know but i think that um

686
00:27:46,549 --> 00:27:43,840
i think this might be a really great way

687
00:27:49,350 --> 00:27:46,559
of getting spreading the

688
00:27:49,669 --> 00:27:49,360
good science communication yeah uh from

689
00:27:51,590 --> 00:27:49,679
the

690
00:27:53,190 --> 00:27:51,600
skeptical perspective i'm looking

691
00:27:53,990 --> 00:27:53,200
forward to giving that talk immensely

692
00:27:56,149 --> 00:27:54,000
that'll

693
00:27:57,909 --> 00:27:56,159
be my take on what it's like to produce

694
00:28:00,149 --> 00:27:57,919
a skeptical podcast each week

695
00:28:01,830 --> 00:28:00,159
then we're going to have adrian hill

696
00:28:05,029 --> 00:28:01,840
who's a good friend of ours

697
00:28:07,350 --> 00:28:05,039
also a gsow editor and she is um

698
00:28:08,389 --> 00:28:07,360
an expert on tourette syndrome and she

699
00:28:12,789 --> 00:28:08,399
is going to

700
00:28:16,710 --> 00:28:12,799
be giving a talk about complementary

701
00:28:19,830 --> 00:28:16,720
medicine and how they try to use it to

702
00:28:22,310 --> 00:28:19,840
treat uh tourette's and i believe ocd

703
00:28:22,870 --> 00:28:22,320
also so i've heard her give talks in the

704
00:28:25,269 --> 00:28:22,880
past

705
00:28:27,110 --> 00:28:25,279
she's really interesting i've learned a

706
00:28:29,269 --> 00:28:27,120
lot about tourette syndrome

707
00:28:31,110 --> 00:28:29,279
now all the talks are about 20 minutes

708
00:28:33,750 --> 00:28:31,120
so you know

709
00:28:34,950 --> 00:28:33,760
it's like dive in and dive out kind of

710
00:28:36,789 --> 00:28:34,960
thing

711
00:28:38,710 --> 00:28:36,799
and we have three more talks after that

712
00:28:40,149 --> 00:28:38,720
after that we have data skeptic kyle

713
00:28:42,950 --> 00:28:40,159
polish

714
00:28:43,830 --> 00:28:42,960
he has the data skeptic podcast and we

715
00:28:45,909 --> 00:28:43,840
have uh

716
00:28:47,990 --> 00:28:45,919
mono sigman who is going to be talking

717
00:28:49,750 --> 00:28:48,000
about the copernicus myth

718
00:28:51,110 --> 00:28:49,760
and then last but not least we have the

719
00:28:52,789 --> 00:28:51,120
well-known skeptic rob

720
00:28:55,510 --> 00:28:52,799
palmer who's been on the skeptic zone

721
00:28:57,110 --> 00:28:55,520
many times in fact he became a gsow

722
00:29:00,389 --> 00:28:57,120
editor because he heard

723
00:29:03,190 --> 00:29:00,399
that's right i call out on

724
00:29:04,870 --> 00:29:03,200
the skeptic zone as it is done many

725
00:29:05,590 --> 00:29:04,880
times it's brought me editors from all

726
00:29:08,470 --> 00:29:05,600
over the world

727
00:29:09,909 --> 00:29:08,480
not just from australia but uh rob

728
00:29:12,710 --> 00:29:09,919
palmer's over in new jersey cal

729
00:29:13,830 --> 00:29:12,720
uh california new jersey in the united

730
00:29:16,630 --> 00:29:13,840
states so

731
00:29:17,190 --> 00:29:16,640
he's a long time listener to the skeptic

732
00:29:18,789 --> 00:29:17,200
zone

733
00:29:20,470 --> 00:29:18,799
he's going to be talking about belief in

734
00:29:21,350 --> 00:29:20,480
psychics what's the harm and who's to

735
00:29:23,190 --> 00:29:21,360
blame

736
00:29:24,630 --> 00:29:23,200
that's what we got in store it's a full

737
00:29:25,430 --> 00:29:24,640
day i'm going to be sitting here in

738
00:29:28,630 --> 00:29:25,440
front of

739
00:29:31,669 --> 00:29:28,640
my zoom feed and uh

740
00:29:33,830 --> 00:29:31,679
i bought a comfortable chair so i could

741
00:29:34,870 --> 00:29:33,840
now are you are you host are you the

742
00:29:38,630 --> 00:29:34,880
host are you

743
00:29:41,909 --> 00:29:38,640
running the show excellent wow

744
00:29:43,350 --> 00:29:41,919
no it'll be fun how can what's the story

745
00:29:45,110 --> 00:29:43,360
susan how can people

746
00:29:47,350 --> 00:29:45,120
be part of this experience where can

747
00:29:48,950 --> 00:29:47,360
they go what's the story

748
00:29:50,870 --> 00:29:48,960
okay so what you're going to want to do

749
00:29:52,950 --> 00:29:50,880
is we didn't want to have people

750
00:29:53,990 --> 00:29:52,960
sign up we didn't we we're not really

751
00:29:56,149 --> 00:29:54,000
interested in all that you just

752
00:29:57,830 --> 00:29:56,159
drop in so now we're gonna we have a

753
00:29:59,350 --> 00:29:57,840
zoom link uh i hope

754
00:30:01,430 --> 00:29:59,360
leave this all being your show notes of

755
00:30:04,630 --> 00:30:01,440
course you will become organized

756
00:30:05,990 --> 00:30:04,640
and people can click on the zoom link

757
00:30:07,590 --> 00:30:06,000
and they can come in and out as they

758
00:30:08,230 --> 00:30:07,600
please i have some volunteers who will

759
00:30:11,350 --> 00:30:08,240
help

760
00:30:14,149 --> 00:30:11,360
assist if they if needed you know yeah

761
00:30:14,789 --> 00:30:14,159
to um mute people and and so on and

762
00:30:16,470 --> 00:30:14,799
curate

763
00:30:18,149 --> 00:30:16,480
uh q a because we're gonna do about five

764
00:30:21,669 --> 00:30:18,159
minutes of q a right

765
00:30:25,110 --> 00:30:21,679
and then what we'll do is um since

766
00:30:27,990 --> 00:30:25,120
my zoom link can only hold 100 people

767
00:30:28,549 --> 00:30:28,000
we're going to also be broadcasting on

768
00:30:31,750 --> 00:30:28,559
youtube

769
00:30:34,950 --> 00:30:31,760
to that also

770
00:30:36,230 --> 00:30:34,960
in the show notes free for this you can

771
00:30:39,830 --> 00:30:36,240
also find this on

772
00:30:41,830 --> 00:30:39,840
my susan garbage facebook page if you

773
00:30:42,870 --> 00:30:41,840
are just looking and browsing we also

774
00:30:46,310 --> 00:30:42,880
have a

775
00:30:50,230 --> 00:30:46,320
facebook page for the event we have

776
00:30:51,110 --> 00:30:50,240
um our our main name is called about

777
00:30:54,070 --> 00:30:51,120
time

778
00:30:54,789 --> 00:30:54,080
project yep and so people can find it

779
00:30:56,470 --> 00:30:54,799
there but

780
00:30:58,870 --> 00:30:56,480
it's it's really just kind of a come

781
00:31:01,029 --> 00:30:58,880
hang out um you can participate

782
00:31:02,149 --> 00:31:01,039
by being in the zoom room answering

783
00:31:04,149 --> 00:31:02,159
questions

784
00:31:06,470 --> 00:31:04,159
well look i will certainly link to those

785
00:31:08,310 --> 00:31:06,480
links i'll link to a link you know what

786
00:31:11,669 --> 00:31:08,320
i mean they'll be in the show notes

787
00:31:13,590 --> 00:31:11,679
folks for this episode and this show is

788
00:31:14,230 --> 00:31:13,600
going out a whole day earlier just

789
00:31:16,149 --> 00:31:14,240
because

790
00:31:17,509 --> 00:31:16,159
i really wanted to promote this event

791
00:31:18,389 --> 00:31:17,519
for you susan i think it's very

792
00:31:19,830 --> 00:31:18,399
important

793
00:31:23,350 --> 00:31:19,840
and knowing you it's going to be a lot

794
00:31:24,389 --> 00:31:23,360
of fun in your local time in california

795
00:31:27,990 --> 00:31:24,399
what time

796
00:31:31,190 --> 00:31:28,000
does this whole shooting match start

797
00:31:31,990 --> 00:31:31,200
well in california time specific time it

798
00:31:35,750 --> 00:31:32,000
is starting at

799
00:31:39,029 --> 00:31:35,760
9 46 a.m

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00:31:40,549 --> 00:31:39,039
will be at 10 30 a.m so and i really

801
00:31:41,669 --> 00:31:40,559
appreciate you putting out the show a

802
00:31:43,269 --> 00:31:41,679
day early

803
00:31:46,310 --> 00:31:43,279
uh not only so i can listen to the

804
00:31:47,990 --> 00:31:46,320
skeptics so today early which is great

805
00:31:50,310 --> 00:31:48,000
but uh appreciate all the help you're

806
00:31:51,990 --> 00:31:50,320
giving us and it should be a lot of fun

807
00:31:54,149 --> 00:31:52,000
all right so folks there's the message

808
00:31:55,430 --> 00:31:54,159
if you're in the united states it's the

809
00:31:57,830 --> 00:31:55,440
second

810
00:31:59,430 --> 00:31:57,840
it'll be saturday the 2nd of january

811
00:32:01,110 --> 00:31:59,440
which is very soon now or if you're

812
00:32:02,549 --> 00:32:01,120
listening to the show late i'm sorry you

813
00:32:04,389 --> 00:32:02,559
missed it but you can always catch up

814
00:32:07,590 --> 00:32:04,399
and and watch it on youtube

815
00:32:09,269 --> 00:32:07,600
and that's starting at 9 46

816
00:32:11,269 --> 00:32:09,279
a.m here in australia it'll be

817
00:32:13,509 --> 00:32:11,279
ridiculously early on the third

818
00:32:14,310 --> 00:32:13,519
sunday the third but uh wake up early

819
00:32:16,470 --> 00:32:14,320
tune in

820
00:32:18,389 --> 00:32:16,480
and my talk will be a little bit later

821
00:32:19,110 --> 00:32:18,399
on i think after you've had your morning

822
00:32:20,789 --> 00:32:19,120
coffee

823
00:32:22,950 --> 00:32:20,799
susan gerbic what a great way to start

824
00:32:25,430 --> 00:32:22,960
the year 2021 should be

825
00:32:27,590 --> 00:32:25,440
uh well let's hope it's got more up an

826
00:32:28,070 --> 00:32:27,600
optimistic feel about it and certainly

827
00:32:31,509 --> 00:32:28,080
with

828
00:32:32,950 --> 00:32:31,519
monterey

829
00:32:34,710 --> 00:32:32,960
i think that's the right thing to do but

830
00:32:36,789 --> 00:32:34,720
for now susan gobert

831
00:32:37,990 --> 00:32:36,799
and kat i heard a cat a bit earlier on i

832
00:32:39,269 --> 00:32:38,000
think there's a cat wandering around

833
00:32:42,950 --> 00:32:39,279
your office somewhere

834
00:32:44,789 --> 00:32:42,960
no i think he's gone now oh okay

835
00:32:47,029 --> 00:32:44,799
maybe he's on the other line talking to

836
00:32:50,310 --> 00:32:47,039
my cats thank you

837
00:33:01,110 --> 00:32:56,410
thank you richard

838
00:33:03,430 --> 00:33:01,120
[Music]

839
00:33:04,549 --> 00:33:03,440
aliens are probing people and mutilating

840
00:33:08,230 --> 00:33:04,559
cows

841
00:33:09,830 --> 00:33:08,240
911 was an inside job homeopathy cleared

842
00:33:12,870 --> 00:33:09,840
up my athlete's foot

843
00:33:13,909 --> 00:33:12,880
vaccines cause autism not all psychics

844
00:33:17,029 --> 00:33:13,919
are tron artists

845
00:33:18,389 --> 00:33:17,039
mine is definitely real we all have

846
00:33:19,430 --> 00:33:18,399
friends and family who believe these

847
00:33:21,909 --> 00:33:19,440
things and much

848
00:33:23,990 --> 00:33:21,919
more well if you're a rational thinker

849
00:33:25,750 --> 00:33:24,000
who is tired of arguing on social media

850
00:33:27,029 --> 00:33:25,760
and never getting anywhere we have a

851
00:33:28,789 --> 00:33:27,039
solution for you

852
00:33:30,070 --> 00:33:28,799
join the guerrilla skepticism and

853
00:33:31,750 --> 00:33:30,080
wikipedia team

854
00:33:33,669 --> 00:33:31,760
and we will teach you how to add

855
00:33:34,389 --> 00:33:33,679
reliable scientific and skeptical

856
00:33:36,310 --> 00:33:34,399
information

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into the unknown

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this time for the trove report we're

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going to start a

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multi-week series into the unknown

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now this comes to us of course from the

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archive at trove

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at trove.nla.gov.eu

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and this time we are reading from the

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sun

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from the 17th of september 1950

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however this series does span several

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weeks

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and this whole section is in the color

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magazine sunday sun supplement and

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interestingly enough color is spelt

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c-o-l-o-r

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the american way

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[Music]

895
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and this looks like a series that was

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published

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in the sunday newspapers so we have

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sunday the 17th of september 1950

899
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and that continues on for the next

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sunday and the next sunday and

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so on and i don't see a byline

902
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nevertheless it says the factual account

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of a remarkable investigation into

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psychic

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force by a panel of independent

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experts a frank report

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on the riddle of spiritualism

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[Music]

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one of the most remarkable

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investigations into the world of the

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unknown

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was completed recently in england

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00:36:08,150 --> 00:36:06,400
a committee of experts was brought

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together to probe

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the riddle of spiritualism their task

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was to ascertain

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to what extent if any scientific proof

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of rational

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explanation could be provided for the

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mystery of the human mind's ability

921
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to transmit thought and see into the

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future

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and i'll just break there for a quick

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comment i think the whole thinking

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behind this

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report is that these things are real

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that uh telepathy and so on

928
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is actually real and this was an attempt

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to get to the bottom of it

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we read on professional and

931
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amateur psychic workers from all parts

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of england

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from australia and the us were invited

934
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to meet the panel of experts

935
00:36:59,109 --> 00:36:57,359
the panel's report was published only

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after eight and a half

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months of watching listening questioning

938
00:37:07,910 --> 00:37:06,240
and testing in the investigations

939
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normal scientific standards of

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measurement and values were given

941
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great latitude this was necessary

942
00:37:17,910 --> 00:37:14,640
because as

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dr bendet one of the panels said

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you cannot apply a stethoscope to a

945
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person's feelings

946
00:37:25,910 --> 00:37:24,400
another comment from me this sounds very

947
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much like the conditions yuri geller

948
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would place on the test at the stansford

949
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research institute in other words great

950
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latitude was given let's read on

951
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terms of reference covered professional

952
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mediums

953
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spirit healers amateur psychic

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researchers

955
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those who claim to heal by spirit power

956
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and those who claim to see and hear

957
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the dead in addition to members of the

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panel whose names are published on this

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page

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visitors were invited to the

961
00:37:59,109 --> 00:37:57,119
investigations color

962
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will publish the official account of

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this inquiry

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in its original form together with the

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report of members

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of the panel helen hughes volunteered to

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give a test

968
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experimental session before the panel on

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tuesday

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october 11. she is one of britain's

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foremost mediums and it is claimed by

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many ardent spiritualists that she

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is the leading exponent of clairvoyant

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powers

975
00:38:27,589 --> 00:38:26,240
mrs hughes arrived nearly three-quarters

976
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of an hour late

977
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having been detained at a large public

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seance in birmingham

979
00:38:39,190 --> 00:38:35,839
she confessed that she was tired

980
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physically and psychically and did

981
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indeed at first seem exhausted but

982
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she refused to defer the arrangements

983
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made

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and after a short while her reserves of

985
00:38:52,390 --> 00:38:48,720
mental energy

986
00:38:53,190 --> 00:38:52,400
seemed replenished this first seance

987
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included

988
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straight clear audience followed by a

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brief session during which mrs hughes

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went into a trance and was controlled by

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her spirit guide

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white feather and the proceedings began

993
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with a short prayer

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which was in effect an extract from two

995
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in the church of england book of common

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prayer

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then as if a light had been switched on

998
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mrs hughes seemed animated and charged

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with a dynamic

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force her tiredness was forgotten

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her soft voice took a sharper tone she

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stood and pointed across the circle i

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want a kenneth

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she said is there a kenneth here

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i want to say that standing behind you

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is a lady who has

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00:39:45,109 --> 00:39:44,240
a royal blue aura do you recognize the

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00:39:49,030 --> 00:39:45,119
name

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00:39:52,069 --> 00:39:49,040
dr bendent shook his head well

1010
00:39:55,430 --> 00:39:52,079
do you know a kenneth in the body

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00:39:58,790 --> 00:39:55,440
alive this boy is perhaps

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00:40:01,829 --> 00:39:58,800
three or four years old dr bendent

1013
00:40:02,790 --> 00:40:01,839
no so far as i know we cannot place the

1014
00:40:06,550 --> 00:40:02,800
name

1015
00:40:07,589 --> 00:40:06,560
mrs hughes i want you to keep this in

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00:40:11,190 --> 00:40:07,599
mind

1017
00:40:13,030 --> 00:40:11,200
yes yes alice

1018
00:40:14,870 --> 00:40:13,040
she pointed to another member of the

1019
00:40:17,270 --> 00:40:14,880
group alice

1020
00:40:18,230 --> 00:40:17,280
does that name mean anything to you

1021
00:40:21,270 --> 00:40:18,240
alice has

1022
00:40:24,630 --> 00:40:21,280
met kenneth no

1023
00:40:27,750 --> 00:40:24,640
i am sure it is in this direction

1024
00:40:28,150 --> 00:40:27,760
she is walking this way kenneth has laid

1025
00:40:30,790 --> 00:40:28,160
his

1026
00:40:32,150 --> 00:40:30,800
hand upon your shoulder she is touching

1027
00:40:35,030 --> 00:40:32,160
you just here

1028
00:40:37,349 --> 00:40:35,040
kenneth and alice are close to you she

1029
00:40:38,630 --> 00:40:37,359
says you must take the greatest care of

1030
00:40:41,750 --> 00:40:38,640
yourself

1031
00:40:43,750 --> 00:40:41,760
now you see how difficult this is

1032
00:40:46,550 --> 00:40:43,760
already i've got something which i

1033
00:40:50,230 --> 00:40:46,560
cannot speak about in front of everybody

1034
00:40:53,190 --> 00:40:50,240
if only i had you in little groups

1035
00:40:54,150 --> 00:40:53,200
just two or three a sitter being

1036
00:40:57,190 --> 00:40:54,160
addressed

1037
00:41:00,950 --> 00:40:57,200
that's all right you may speak freely

1038
00:41:03,990 --> 00:41:00,960
i know i'm not well mrs hughes

1039
00:41:06,790 --> 00:41:04,000
touching her left breast there is

1040
00:41:09,270 --> 00:41:06,800
a condition here quite inaccurate

1041
00:41:12,150 --> 00:41:09,280
diagnosis commented dr bendet

1042
00:41:13,670 --> 00:41:12,160
who knew the case a material condition

1043
00:41:16,069 --> 00:41:13,680
do you understand

1044
00:41:16,790 --> 00:41:16,079
but you are not to worry they want you

1045
00:41:18,710 --> 00:41:16,800
to know

1046
00:41:19,990 --> 00:41:18,720
that they are applying themselves to

1047
00:41:23,349 --> 00:41:20,000
this on the other

1048
00:41:26,950 --> 00:41:23,359
side there was an awkward silence

1049
00:41:30,710 --> 00:41:26,960
mrs hughes turned at last to lord amwell

1050
00:41:34,870 --> 00:41:30,720
are you interested in survival

1051
00:41:37,750 --> 00:41:34,880
lord amwell yes yes of course but

1052
00:41:38,710 --> 00:41:37,760
medium there is somebody standing right

1053
00:41:42,870 --> 00:41:38,720
behind you

1054
00:41:46,309 --> 00:41:42,880
do you know who bill is

1055
00:41:48,230 --> 00:41:46,319
yes she turned as though listening to a

1056
00:41:52,390 --> 00:41:48,240
spirit voice

1057
00:41:55,430 --> 00:41:52,400
yes there was something wrong with

1058
00:41:57,349 --> 00:41:55,440
the left arm or shoulder as though a

1059
00:42:01,030 --> 00:41:57,359
shock or seizure

1060
00:42:04,470 --> 00:42:01,040
bill william yes william

1061
00:42:08,309 --> 00:42:04,480
hall yes

1062
00:42:11,030 --> 00:42:08,319
william hall i've got to

1063
00:42:12,069 --> 00:42:11,040
i've got to make this quite clear lord

1064
00:42:15,349 --> 00:42:12,079
amwell

1065
00:42:17,349 --> 00:42:15,359
i cannot recall the name medium she

1066
00:42:19,190 --> 00:42:17,359
suddenly turned across the room

1067
00:42:20,470 --> 00:42:19,200
and pointed in the direction of dr

1068
00:42:24,390 --> 00:42:20,480
bendent and

1069
00:42:25,589 --> 00:42:24,400
the surgeon now is there anyone here who

1070
00:42:29,030 --> 00:42:25,599
knew a lady

1071
00:42:30,950 --> 00:42:29,040
who went nearly blind i can see her

1072
00:42:32,390 --> 00:42:30,960
distinctly she is moving in this

1073
00:42:35,349 --> 00:42:32,400
direction

1074
00:42:36,390 --> 00:42:35,359
she is wearing you know one of those

1075
00:42:40,230 --> 00:42:36,400
pretty laced

1076
00:42:42,550 --> 00:42:40,240
shawls yes yes

1077
00:42:43,430 --> 00:42:42,560
it is as if she were looking for

1078
00:42:46,150 --> 00:42:43,440
somebody

1079
00:42:46,870 --> 00:42:46,160
she's talking to you she indicated dr

1080
00:42:50,230 --> 00:42:46,880
bendent

1081
00:42:51,349 --> 00:42:50,240
like this leaning forward like a very

1082
00:42:53,829 --> 00:42:51,359
old lady

1083
00:42:54,870 --> 00:42:53,839
she watched you as a child i can tell by

1084
00:42:58,550 --> 00:42:54,880
the way she's

1085
00:43:02,550 --> 00:42:58,560
clinging to you she tells me yes

1086
00:43:04,710 --> 00:43:02,560
your aura is a violet shade she tells me

1087
00:43:05,589 --> 00:43:04,720
you don't mind me saying this in public

1088
00:43:08,870 --> 00:43:05,599
do you

1089
00:43:11,190 --> 00:43:08,880
but you will soon be turning the corner

1090
00:43:11,990 --> 00:43:11,200
there have been obstacles but now you

1091
00:43:15,109 --> 00:43:12,000
are on the right

1092
00:43:17,510 --> 00:43:15,119
way you are heading for

1093
00:43:19,190 --> 00:43:17,520
yes you are heading for the threshold of

1094
00:43:21,190 --> 00:43:19,200
something much bigger

1095
00:43:24,150 --> 00:43:21,200
i'm putting it that way because i know

1096
00:43:27,750 --> 00:43:24,160
you'll understand what i'm trying to say

1097
00:43:30,790 --> 00:43:27,760
she says tell him i'm watching

1098
00:43:33,109 --> 00:43:30,800
dr bendent shook his head and confessed

1099
00:43:36,150 --> 00:43:33,119
he could not place her

1100
00:43:37,190 --> 00:43:36,160
medium elizabeth i'm quite different

1101
00:43:40,550 --> 00:43:37,200
about this

1102
00:43:43,750 --> 00:43:40,560
was she not your mother's sister

1103
00:43:47,910 --> 00:43:43,760
dr bendent said no was

1104
00:43:51,349 --> 00:43:47,920
there not a link pointing at mrs bendent

1105
00:43:52,309 --> 00:43:51,359
but there's a link between you too mrs

1106
00:43:55,589 --> 00:43:52,319
bendent

1107
00:43:58,790 --> 00:43:55,599
yes he's my husband medium

1108
00:43:59,510 --> 00:43:58,800
laughing yes of course that explains the

1109
00:44:02,309 --> 00:43:59,520
link

1110
00:44:03,829 --> 00:44:02,319
mrs bendent you're quite correct but my

1111
00:44:07,430 --> 00:44:03,839
husband would not know

1112
00:44:09,990 --> 00:44:07,440
elizabeth was my mother's sister medium

1113
00:44:11,190 --> 00:44:10,000
well she's saying the name perhaps to

1114
00:44:13,990 --> 00:44:11,200
both of you

1115
00:44:15,589 --> 00:44:14,000
you've got to go on as you're going

1116
00:44:19,109 --> 00:44:15,599
you've turned the bend

1117
00:44:22,069 --> 00:44:19,119
her voice rose to a high pitch

1118
00:44:23,109 --> 00:44:22,079
you've just turned the bend you are not

1119
00:44:26,630 --> 00:44:23,119
to worry

1120
00:44:29,670 --> 00:44:26,640
the message trailed away mrs hughes

1121
00:44:32,069 --> 00:44:29,680
hunched her shoulders slightly and paced

1122
00:44:33,990 --> 00:44:32,079
up and down as though under a great

1123
00:44:36,390 --> 00:44:34,000
emotional stress

1124
00:44:37,430 --> 00:44:36,400
among the group of distinguished people

1125
00:44:41,589 --> 00:44:37,440
in the room

1126
00:44:44,470 --> 00:44:41,599
there was an embarrassed silence

1127
00:44:44,950 --> 00:44:44,480
at once after a pause of about half a

1128
00:44:48,309 --> 00:44:44,960
minute

1129
00:44:51,349 --> 00:44:48,319
mrs hughes turned again to dr bendent

1130
00:44:54,470 --> 00:44:51,359
medium margaret

1131
00:44:55,829 --> 00:44:54,480
margaret holiday or something that

1132
00:45:00,150 --> 00:44:55,839
sounds very much like

1133
00:45:03,430 --> 00:45:00,160
holiday or holy day dr bendent

1134
00:45:05,670 --> 00:45:03,440
margaret howath perhaps medium

1135
00:45:07,829 --> 00:45:05,680
margaret is working on the other side

1136
00:45:09,109 --> 00:45:07,839
she says she is doing something very

1137
00:45:12,230 --> 00:45:09,119
different from what

1138
00:45:13,589 --> 00:45:12,240
she used to do do you understand she

1139
00:45:16,710 --> 00:45:13,599
passed over

1140
00:45:17,990 --> 00:45:16,720
i think it was with bronchitis she is

1141
00:45:21,190 --> 00:45:18,000
actually in spirit

1142
00:45:22,150 --> 00:45:21,200
doctor bended no the margaret houth i am

1143
00:45:25,589 --> 00:45:22,160
thinking of is

1144
00:45:28,230 --> 00:45:25,599
still alive i am sure medium

1145
00:45:29,670 --> 00:45:28,240
no this one is actually in the spirit

1146
00:45:32,790 --> 00:45:29,680
did she lose her

1147
00:45:33,510 --> 00:45:32,800
sight i wonder she looked across at mrs

1148
00:45:36,950 --> 00:45:33,520
haldane

1149
00:45:39,030 --> 00:45:36,960
and mrs ainsworth do either of you

1150
00:45:41,510 --> 00:45:39,040
ladies know who i mean

1151
00:45:42,790 --> 00:45:41,520
i am getting a hospital condition an

1152
00:45:45,349 --> 00:45:42,800
operation but

1153
00:45:46,870 --> 00:45:45,359
nothing cut if you know what i mean

1154
00:45:49,910 --> 00:45:46,880
perhaps an accident

1155
00:45:52,710 --> 00:45:49,920
i can smell the ether there

1156
00:45:54,390 --> 00:45:52,720
is the scene of a hospital operation and

1157
00:45:57,670 --> 00:45:54,400
i can see the surgeon

1158
00:46:01,510 --> 00:45:57,680
lady anderson well i know somebody

1159
00:46:05,030 --> 00:46:01,520
to whom that might apply medium

1160
00:46:07,990 --> 00:46:05,040
was it cancer no lady anderson

1161
00:46:09,910 --> 00:46:08,000
could you tell me about her age medium

1162
00:46:12,390 --> 00:46:09,920
about middle aged i think

1163
00:46:12,950 --> 00:46:12,400
but of course she's discarded her body

1164
00:46:16,390 --> 00:46:12,960
and

1165
00:46:20,069 --> 00:46:16,400
is very hard to say perhaps more than

1166
00:46:23,589 --> 00:46:20,079
middle aged a long pause

1167
00:46:26,790 --> 00:46:23,599
followed does anyone know

1168
00:46:29,910 --> 00:46:26,800
john hale hall

1169
00:46:32,870 --> 00:46:29,920
no hail turning to a doctor

1170
00:46:33,589 --> 00:46:32,880
not dr bendent who had one foot in a

1171
00:46:37,430 --> 00:46:33,599
slipper

1172
00:46:40,950 --> 00:46:37,440
yes yes thank you

1173
00:46:45,190 --> 00:46:40,960
to spirit whoever this soul is

1174
00:46:48,470 --> 00:46:45,200
is distinctly linked with anatomy

1175
00:46:52,069 --> 00:46:48,480
is there anything wrong with your toe

1176
00:46:55,109 --> 00:46:52,079
doctor well toe and foot

1177
00:46:58,550 --> 00:46:55,119
medium have you been suffering also

1178
00:47:02,390 --> 00:46:58,560
with the bottom of the spine doctor

1179
00:47:03,829 --> 00:47:02,400
no medium your nervous system has got to

1180
00:47:06,630 --> 00:47:03,839
be attended to

1181
00:47:07,349 --> 00:47:06,640
yes that's what it is you've got to have

1182
00:47:10,470 --> 00:47:07,359
a good

1183
00:47:12,309 --> 00:47:10,480
nerve tonic general laughter drowning

1184
00:47:15,589 --> 00:47:12,319
out mrs hughes words

1185
00:47:18,630 --> 00:47:15,599
you've got to have a good nerve tonic

1186
00:47:22,069 --> 00:47:18,640
doctor puzzled oh

1187
00:47:23,829 --> 00:47:22,079
a nerve tonic he turned to his neighbor

1188
00:47:25,510 --> 00:47:23,839
i thought she said i've got to have a

1189
00:47:27,990 --> 00:47:25,520
good nurse on it

1190
00:47:29,990 --> 00:47:28,000
again there is the awkward silence

1191
00:47:30,549 --> 00:47:30,000
members of the panel are accustomed to

1192
00:47:33,430 --> 00:47:30,559
this

1193
00:47:35,349 --> 00:47:33,440
curious psychological situation but some

1194
00:47:37,349 --> 00:47:35,359
of the distinguished guests are

1195
00:47:40,710 --> 00:47:37,359
obviously embarrassed at the

1196
00:47:43,589 --> 00:47:40,720
unexpected merriment and wearing

1197
00:47:44,950 --> 00:47:43,599
the look of having laughed in church mrs

1198
00:47:48,710 --> 00:47:44,960
hughes at length

1199
00:47:51,190 --> 00:47:48,720
turns to canon knight medium sir

1200
00:47:51,990 --> 00:47:51,200
have you ever done any writing automatic

1201
00:47:55,349 --> 00:47:52,000
spirit writing

1202
00:47:57,589 --> 00:47:55,359
i mean contact the spirit world

1203
00:47:59,030 --> 00:47:57,599
and in your family would there perhaps

1204
00:48:02,230 --> 00:47:59,040
be a little girl

1205
00:48:05,670 --> 00:48:02,240
in the spirit he nodded

1206
00:48:08,230 --> 00:48:05,680
agreement she gave many heartaches

1207
00:48:10,150 --> 00:48:08,240
a great loss did she suffer with the

1208
00:48:13,750 --> 00:48:10,160
throat and then passed out with

1209
00:48:16,790 --> 00:48:13,760
meninges mrs hughes speech quickened

1210
00:48:19,990 --> 00:48:16,800
immediately canon knight responded

1211
00:48:23,030 --> 00:48:20,000
canon knight yes a form of meninges

1212
00:48:26,230 --> 00:48:23,040
not throat medium

1213
00:48:29,270 --> 00:48:26,240
harry no george george smith

1214
00:48:30,390 --> 00:48:29,280
to cannon knight are you of the quaker

1215
00:48:33,430 --> 00:48:30,400
religion

1216
00:48:36,150 --> 00:48:33,440
turning to

1217
00:48:37,589 --> 00:48:36,160
circle was anybody of the quaker

1218
00:48:39,270 --> 00:48:37,599
religion

1219
00:48:42,309 --> 00:48:39,280
this george smith was definitely a

1220
00:48:45,270 --> 00:48:42,319
quaker she looked towards mr ainsworth

1221
00:48:46,150 --> 00:48:45,280
who sat with the panel on this occasion

1222
00:48:50,150 --> 00:48:46,160
and

1223
00:48:52,630 --> 00:48:50,160
he shook his head but this is for you

1224
00:48:53,990 --> 00:48:52,640
you don't mind if i speak openly do you

1225
00:48:56,790 --> 00:48:54,000
there is some

1226
00:48:58,390 --> 00:48:56,800
some trouble at the present time there

1227
00:48:59,510 --> 00:48:58,400
is something that is making you very

1228
00:49:01,910 --> 00:48:59,520
impatient

1229
00:49:02,950 --> 00:49:01,920
they're telling me you've got to measure

1230
00:49:05,910 --> 00:49:02,960
a little

1231
00:49:07,829 --> 00:49:05,920
you understand you must not be impatient

1232
00:49:09,829 --> 00:49:07,839
has anybody told you you're

1233
00:49:11,910 --> 00:49:09,839
psychic there's an old gentleman

1234
00:49:13,670 --> 00:49:11,920
standing right by you with an imperial

1235
00:49:16,950 --> 00:49:13,680
beard

1236
00:49:21,109 --> 00:49:16,960
is there an a in your name

1237
00:49:25,030 --> 00:49:21,119
an h or a t mr ainsworth nodded

1238
00:49:26,870 --> 00:49:25,040
medium an a and an i

1239
00:49:28,230 --> 00:49:26,880
she went round the circle and came back

1240
00:49:30,230 --> 00:49:28,240
to mr ainsworth

1241
00:49:31,910 --> 00:49:30,240
this is definitely somebody who belongs

1242
00:49:34,470 --> 00:49:31,920
to you a direct link

1243
00:49:35,829 --> 00:49:34,480
do you know anybody in the body who is

1244
00:49:38,950 --> 00:49:35,839
not quite well

1245
00:49:39,670 --> 00:49:38,960
anybody in the family mr ainsworth my

1246
00:49:43,030 --> 00:49:39,680
wife

1247
00:49:46,430 --> 00:49:43,040
perhaps medium there is a child

1248
00:49:49,990 --> 00:49:46,440
a son in the body mr ainsworth

1249
00:49:53,670 --> 00:49:50,000
grandchildren medium a boy

1250
00:49:56,870 --> 00:49:53,680
definitely a boy whoever it is says

1251
00:50:00,309 --> 00:49:56,880
there will be little to worry about but

1252
00:50:05,349 --> 00:50:00,319
again i get those letters a

1253
00:50:07,270 --> 00:50:05,359
i n do you mind if i hold your hand

1254
00:50:09,430 --> 00:50:07,280
mrs hughes came to the edge of the

1255
00:50:12,069 --> 00:50:09,440
seated group of members of the panel

1256
00:50:13,270 --> 00:50:12,079
mr ainsworth leaned forward and hands

1257
00:50:16,309 --> 00:50:13,280
were held

1258
00:50:18,549 --> 00:50:16,319
at once it seemed as though a new source

1259
00:50:19,750 --> 00:50:18,559
of communication had been opened to the

1260
00:50:22,309 --> 00:50:19,760
sensitive

1261
00:50:23,109 --> 00:50:22,319
for she began to speak with more

1262
00:50:27,030 --> 00:50:23,119
firmness

1263
00:50:30,309 --> 00:50:27,040
and fewer pauses john she continued

1264
00:50:33,510 --> 00:50:30,319
yes that is the name i'm getting john

1265
00:50:36,230 --> 00:50:33,520
had you a grandfather named john

1266
00:50:38,390 --> 00:50:36,240
this gentleman is right here now just as

1267
00:50:41,910 --> 00:50:38,400
if he is coming in that door

1268
00:50:44,309 --> 00:50:41,920
he sort of coughs well not a cough

1269
00:50:45,670 --> 00:50:44,319
but you know who it is by the little

1270
00:50:48,390 --> 00:50:45,680
noise in his throat

1271
00:50:49,910 --> 00:50:48,400
it means something to you and the way he

1272
00:50:53,270 --> 00:50:49,920
does that

1273
00:50:56,390 --> 00:50:53,280
and there is somebody william

1274
00:50:59,430 --> 00:50:56,400
not your father on your father's side

1275
00:51:02,630 --> 00:50:59,440
mr ainsworth nodded yes

1276
00:51:06,150 --> 00:51:02,640
right she turned as though

1277
00:51:08,630 --> 00:51:06,160
thanking her unseen spirit guide right

1278
00:51:09,349 --> 00:51:08,640
thank you is there anybody here who

1279
00:51:13,349 --> 00:51:09,359
knows

1280
00:51:16,549 --> 00:51:13,359
teddy william william

1281
00:51:19,349 --> 00:51:16,559
holdsworth mr ainsworth

1282
00:51:20,710 --> 00:51:19,359
i know several holsworth but which one

1283
00:51:22,950 --> 00:51:20,720
in particular

1284
00:51:24,150 --> 00:51:22,960
she did not answer but pause then came

1285
00:51:27,829 --> 00:51:24,160
back on the

1286
00:51:30,870 --> 00:51:27,839
question again of mr ainsworth's name

1287
00:51:33,990 --> 00:51:30,880
it is a i

1288
00:51:37,109 --> 00:51:34,000
n yes yes

1289
00:51:40,150 --> 00:51:37,119
there is an annie and william

1290
00:51:43,109 --> 00:51:40,160
mary mary ainsworth would that be

1291
00:51:44,950 --> 00:51:43,119
mr ainsworth well that's near it the

1292
00:51:47,270 --> 00:51:44,960
medium turned to sir john

1293
00:51:49,750 --> 00:51:47,280
anderson who had been watching the

1294
00:51:52,549 --> 00:51:49,760
proceedings with silent interest

1295
00:51:54,549 --> 00:51:52,559
medium did you know a lady who was

1296
00:51:58,150 --> 00:51:54,559
stoned death

1297
00:52:01,270 --> 00:51:58,160
wilson does that mean anything

1298
00:52:04,390 --> 00:52:01,280
did you know a wilson jane

1299
00:52:07,670 --> 00:52:04,400
no john john wilson

1300
00:52:09,349 --> 00:52:07,680
that's sir john wilson muttered sir john

1301
00:52:12,150 --> 00:52:09,359
anderson

1302
00:52:12,710 --> 00:52:12,160
did you know him well of course you did

1303
00:52:16,069 --> 00:52:12,720
her

1304
00:52:17,990 --> 00:52:16,079
voice rose to a pitch of excitement

1305
00:52:20,309 --> 00:52:18,000
he used to come up to you like that

1306
00:52:23,589 --> 00:52:20,319
didn't he and he used to say

1307
00:52:26,710 --> 00:52:23,599
mrs hughes spoke heartily manishly

1308
00:52:30,069 --> 00:52:26,720
the best is yet to be yes

1309
00:52:31,430 --> 00:52:30,079
yes said sir john eagerly as though

1310
00:52:34,150 --> 00:52:31,440
greeting an old friend

1311
00:52:34,870 --> 00:52:34,160
almost as an anti-climax after this

1312
00:52:37,750 --> 00:52:34,880
prompt

1313
00:52:39,589 --> 00:52:37,760
recognition by sir john she turned

1314
00:52:42,309 --> 00:52:39,599
vaguely to another sitter

1315
00:52:43,030 --> 00:52:42,319
did you know anyone at all named audrey

1316
00:52:46,150 --> 00:52:43,040
no

1317
00:52:50,230 --> 00:52:46,160
valerie was there a little go with you

1318
00:52:54,390 --> 00:52:50,240
in spirit somebody seems to know you

1319
00:52:55,670 --> 00:52:54,400
her voice faded away no i think that is

1320
00:52:58,630 --> 00:52:55,680
all i can do

1321
00:53:00,950 --> 00:52:58,640
for a second time the party split up as

1322
00:53:02,309 --> 00:53:00,960
though to leave and general conversation

1323
00:53:06,069 --> 00:53:02,319
broke out

1324
00:53:08,549 --> 00:53:06,079
magically on hearing so many voices the

1325
00:53:10,470 --> 00:53:08,559
tension was dispelled mrs hughes was

1326
00:53:13,349 --> 00:53:10,480
being asked a question about her

1327
00:53:13,670 --> 00:53:13,359
journey and her meeting at birmingham

1328
00:53:16,870 --> 00:53:13,680
when

1329
00:53:17,670 --> 00:53:16,880
suddenly she started speaking her voice

1330
00:53:20,790 --> 00:53:17,680
breaking

1331
00:53:24,710 --> 00:53:20,800
out above the babble of the conversation

1332
00:53:26,870 --> 00:53:24,720
elaine yes yes that's it elaine

1333
00:53:28,309 --> 00:53:26,880
she was a school friend she looked at

1334
00:53:31,270 --> 00:53:28,319
mrs bendent

1335
00:53:32,069 --> 00:53:31,280
who seemed to nod and then turned to dr

1336
00:53:36,150 --> 00:53:32,079
bendent

1337
00:53:39,829 --> 00:53:36,160
roger roger you know him too don't you

1338
00:53:42,630 --> 00:53:39,839
or is it roper dr bendent

1339
00:53:44,549 --> 00:53:42,640
yes that's right he was a school master

1340
00:53:48,230 --> 00:53:44,559
but i think he's still alive

1341
00:53:51,589 --> 00:53:48,240
i'm sure medium did he suffer

1342
00:53:53,030 --> 00:53:51,599
at all with the arch of the foot i can

1343
00:53:55,990 --> 00:53:53,040
hear him now

1344
00:53:57,510 --> 00:53:56,000
roger he's saying and he's walking

1345
00:54:00,870 --> 00:53:57,520
heavily like this

1346
00:54:04,230 --> 00:54:00,880
she imitated a limping man no

1347
00:54:07,910 --> 00:54:04,240
not roger roper dr bendent

1348
00:54:11,109 --> 00:54:07,920
yes ropa but i'm sure he's still alive

1349
00:54:12,950 --> 00:54:11,119
medium well check will you this is

1350
00:54:13,829 --> 00:54:12,960
definitely the roper who claims that he

1351
00:54:15,910 --> 00:54:13,839
knows you

1352
00:54:17,750 --> 00:54:15,920
she turned in the general direction of

1353
00:54:20,069 --> 00:54:17,760
mr and mrs ainsworth

1354
00:54:21,990 --> 00:54:20,079
seated one behind the other and not

1355
00:54:22,630 --> 00:54:22,000
known to the medium to be husband and

1356
00:54:24,710 --> 00:54:22,640
wife

1357
00:54:25,910 --> 00:54:24,720
i can see a picture of a gentleman

1358
00:54:28,309 --> 00:54:25,920
between you

1359
00:54:29,349 --> 00:54:28,319
an old gentleman in a high collar rather

1360
00:54:31,589 --> 00:54:29,359
like that

1361
00:54:34,150 --> 00:54:31,599
she indicated an old oil painting on the

1362
00:54:36,630 --> 00:54:34,160
wall mr ainsworth queried with mrs

1363
00:54:39,109 --> 00:54:36,640
ainsworth about a painting at home

1364
00:54:40,710 --> 00:54:39,119
but by then mrs hughes had turned to sir

1365
00:54:44,069 --> 00:54:40,720
john and lady anderson

1366
00:54:47,750 --> 00:54:44,079
alan i'm getting alan yes

1367
00:54:51,109 --> 00:54:47,760
yes alan matheson

1368
00:54:54,230 --> 00:54:51,119
alan matheson sir john anderson

1369
00:54:56,630 --> 00:54:54,240
yes i know who you mean medium

1370
00:54:58,470 --> 00:54:56,640
you see how it is i'm getting the

1371
00:55:01,349 --> 00:54:58,480
vibrations now

1372
00:55:02,309 --> 00:55:01,359
it was the talking that did it now i

1373
00:55:05,430 --> 00:55:02,319
feel

1374
00:55:08,950 --> 00:55:05,440
more in touch with you all to dr bendent

1375
00:55:11,990 --> 00:55:08,960
your name's not smith not george

1376
00:55:12,950 --> 00:55:12,000
smith to lord amwell did you know

1377
00:55:14,789 --> 00:55:12,960
jackson

1378
00:55:16,390 --> 00:55:14,799
mrs hughes sat in the vacant chair at

1379
00:55:19,109 --> 00:55:16,400
his side and

1380
00:55:20,069 --> 00:55:19,119
slumped in it manishly he's trying to

1381
00:55:22,549 --> 00:55:20,079
tell me

1382
00:55:23,510 --> 00:55:22,559
jackson's here he's sitting down just

1383
00:55:26,710 --> 00:55:23,520
like this

1384
00:55:29,430 --> 00:55:26,720
jackson's here someone's got a dog here

1385
00:55:30,230 --> 00:55:29,440
no i can't see it but i can tell it's

1386
00:55:32,470 --> 00:55:30,240
here

1387
00:55:33,589 --> 00:55:32,480
i can hear it drop you know how a dog

1388
00:55:35,829 --> 00:55:33,599
comes in

1389
00:55:36,950 --> 00:55:35,839
curls around and flops on the carpet

1390
00:55:40,390 --> 00:55:36,960
somebody

1391
00:55:43,190 --> 00:55:40,400
sitter

1392
00:55:43,510 --> 00:55:43,200
yes that's right i've a beautiful dog

1393
00:55:46,950 --> 00:55:43,520
but

1394
00:55:49,990 --> 00:55:46,960
alive medium a red setter no

1395
00:55:51,750 --> 00:55:50,000
but a dog of that color i can't see what

1396
00:55:54,789 --> 00:55:51,760
sort of dog i can only tell it

1397
00:55:57,109 --> 00:55:54,799
in the ether there is a little dog

1398
00:55:58,710 --> 00:55:57,119
a lady has just placed it on your lap

1399
00:56:01,510 --> 00:55:58,720
she turned to a doctor

1400
00:56:02,150 --> 00:56:01,520
are you aware that you're a traveler a

1401
00:56:05,349 --> 00:56:02,160
traveler

1402
00:56:06,870 --> 00:56:05,359
in the astral you get visions the

1403
00:56:09,910 --> 00:56:06,880
faculty is here and

1404
00:56:13,430 --> 00:56:09,920
you must work on it yes work you get

1405
00:56:15,670 --> 00:56:13,440
what you call hunches don't you

1406
00:56:16,549 --> 00:56:15,680
she suddenly turned to lord amwell

1407
00:56:23,430 --> 00:56:16,559
jackson

1408
00:56:24,630 --> 00:56:23,440
again she mimicked a man sydney does

1409
00:56:27,430 --> 00:56:24,640
anyone know

1410
00:56:28,710 --> 00:56:27,440
a sydney over there lord amwell leaned

1411
00:56:30,950 --> 00:56:28,720
forward anxiously

1412
00:56:33,030 --> 00:56:30,960
whispered to a neighbor now there is a

1413
00:56:36,470 --> 00:56:33,040
name i'd like to hear more about

1414
00:56:38,549 --> 00:56:36,480
but mrs hughes hesitated swayed a little

1415
00:56:39,589 --> 00:56:38,559
and passed her hands across her brow and

1416
00:56:42,710 --> 00:56:39,599
said that she

1417
00:56:45,310 --> 00:56:42,720
at last felt the power had gone

1418
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and she could do no more

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[Music]

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and that's the end of part one for our

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purposes of this exciting tale

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into the unknown what happens at a

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seance

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and what i didn't include

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was there's a little account here some

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of the people involved

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00:57:11,270 --> 00:57:09,440
there's a photograph of sir john

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anderson lady anderson

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somebody called l-a-g strong

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oh looking very very proper and british

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i must say

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now on next week's installment of

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00:57:25,990 --> 00:57:25,760
into the unknown we discover mrs hughes

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has

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a bit more to say

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00:57:35,870 --> 00:57:32,150
and you can read that for yourself and

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00:57:37,190 --> 00:57:35,880
much more at trove the trove archive at

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trove.nla.gov

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dot a u

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[Music]

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thursday the 7th of january join us for

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00:58:00,710 --> 00:57:57,599
sydney

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00:58:03,589 --> 00:58:00,720
skeptics in the pub online

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00:58:04,950 --> 00:58:03,599
we present a talk by american skeptical

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00:58:07,990 --> 00:58:04,960
investigator

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00:58:11,829 --> 00:58:08,000
kenny biddle strategies for

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00:58:12,870 --> 00:58:11,839
solving mysteries this talk will cover

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00:58:15,829 --> 00:58:12,880
some of the

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00:58:19,190 --> 00:58:15,839
various investigation strategies kenny

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00:58:21,670 --> 00:58:19,200
uses when taking on paranormal claims

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00:58:23,990 --> 00:58:21,680
cases that have been solved will be

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featured to demonstrate exactly how

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00:58:27,589 --> 00:58:24,480
these

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00:58:29,030 --> 00:58:27,599
strategies helped kenny biddle is a

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00:58:31,829 --> 00:58:29,040
science enthusiast

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00:58:33,270 --> 00:58:31,839
who investigates claims of paranormal

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00:58:35,349 --> 00:58:33,280
experiences

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00:58:36,309 --> 00:58:35,359
the equipment including video that

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00:58:38,630 --> 00:58:36,319
people use

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00:58:39,990 --> 00:58:38,640
to search for strange things and the

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00:58:44,230 --> 00:58:40,000
evidence presented for

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00:58:47,990 --> 00:58:44,240
ghosts ufos and cryptids

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00:58:51,829 --> 00:58:48,000
that's sydney skeptics in the pub online

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7pm thursday the 7th of january

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join in via twitch at twitch.tv

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thank you for listening to the skeptic

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scroll to the bottom of the page and

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new year's show just

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the other night going for hours right

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new year's coming up on next week's show

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we continue our series from 1950

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01:00:14,789 --> 01:00:10,960
into the unknown and next week our

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01:00:17,430 --> 01:00:14,799
medium our psychic mrs hughes

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01:00:18,150 --> 01:00:17,440
is taken over by the spirit of white

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01:00:20,230 --> 01:00:18,160
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01:01:12,710 --> 01:01:06,559
saunders signing off

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01:01:52,630 --> 01:01:50,720
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hello hello to the afterthoughts the

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01:02:17,109 --> 01:02:12,480
people who listen after the music

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01:02:18,470 --> 01:02:17,119
the first dice die dice game of the year

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01:02:20,950 --> 01:02:18,480
for those of you who don't know every

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01:02:22,950 --> 01:02:20,960
now and then quite often actually i roll

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01:02:24,789 --> 01:02:22,960
a ten-sided die or a six-sided die

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01:02:26,150 --> 01:02:24,799
sometimes a thirty-sided die also it's a

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01:02:29,270 --> 01:02:26,160
dice

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01:02:31,670 --> 01:02:29,280
and you use your predicting power

1545
01:02:32,470 --> 01:02:31,680
your dumb luck your guessing or whatever

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01:02:34,789 --> 01:02:32,480
you wanna do

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01:02:36,630 --> 01:02:34,799
and see if you can match the numbers

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01:02:40,150 --> 01:02:36,640
like a very nice

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01:02:43,349 --> 01:02:40,160
sort of transparent blue d10

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01:02:45,109 --> 01:02:43,359
ten sided die here and with thanks to my

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01:02:49,270 --> 01:02:45,119
friend gregory in the bay

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01:02:52,309 --> 01:02:49,280
area san francisco he has sent me a

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01:02:55,750 --> 01:02:52,319
really interesting contraption

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01:02:56,390 --> 01:02:55,760
it's folds it folds open it's like a

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01:02:59,589 --> 01:02:56,400
little

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01:03:03,109 --> 01:02:59,599
wheat silo with a tray

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01:03:03,829 --> 01:03:03,119
it's transparent it looks very

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01:03:06,309 --> 01:03:03,839
interesting

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01:03:06,870 --> 01:03:06,319
basically you put you drop the dye in

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the top

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01:03:09,990 --> 01:03:09,200
it bounces around a couple of shelves at

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01:03:12,470 --> 01:03:10,000
angles

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01:03:13,190 --> 01:03:12,480
and pops out into the tray it's sort of

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like

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01:03:17,270 --> 01:03:15,920
a way to randomize the die it's really

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interesting anyway i'm going to use this

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01:03:22,150 --> 01:03:19,039
device

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and uh i'm going to roll this three

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times

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here we go is my pencil my pen

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and i'll write the results down so guess

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away

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will it be number five will it be number

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two

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will it be ten here we go first number

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01:03:42,470 --> 01:03:38,880
is

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so spins around number ten

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number ten okay second number

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give it a shake and put it into the into

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it's not a machine it's a um

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whatever it is eight second number is

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eight and the third number

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a bit of a shake in my hands nice and

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random and into the

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device pops out number four sorry susan

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gobek it's not number five

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the numbers this week are all even as it